Luo: During the first year of your Master's study, you went to the Netherlands. Why did you choose to enter that industrial design school at that time?

Jin: At the time, it was during the pandemic, and I was quite confused; there was a period when I felt that art had little practical use. I felt like, what am I doing? I make these things, but I seem unable to reach many people. But doing design, I felt it was more practical, because it has utility, functionality and can allow more people to truly connect with it in their lives. It can touch people, and people can touch it. So I decided to try, and when I got accepted, I went. I took a one-year leave from Beaux-Arts in Paris. I thought that if I liked it, I would continue and possibly not return to Paris. At that time, I just wanted to change countries. After a year, it was quite good, but not suitable for me, so I came back.

Luo: I read in an interview that you realized afterward that enough things had already been made, so you didn't want to create new things.

Jin: Yes, I had done a lot of handicrafts, and after design school, I didn't see the necessity. Everyone is always designing, always producing a new object, something new… oh my! So after that, my creative work consisted only of ready-made objects. So I felt that detouring for that one year was a very important point; it had a significant impact.